Q&A: How to Engineer a Drag Reveal with Vivica Vanity

Drag performer Vivica Vanity. Photo by Ian Wallenborn.

Drag performer Vivica Vanity is like really creative. Read the Q&A from our interview available on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

ZACK ORSBORN: So I am joined by the Vivica Vanity. Vivica is a drag performer, a seamstress, a fashion designer, a reveal innovator. I first found out about you through Moth Moth Moth. She's a big fan of yours. And I saw an amazing video you made where you presented this amazing dress reveal, and you talked about the process of it. And I just had to have you on the show. So thanks for joining me now.

VIVICA VANITY: Thank you for having me. I am excited. I'm really excited to be here.

ZACK: Awesome. So with the dress reveal, what was the idea behind that? What was the process of creating that?

VIVICA: Okay, so the process behind creating that - I was first inspired whenever I saw Sasha Colby's reveal at the season 15 finale whenever she was doing the Knock on Wood thing. And I was like, I need to know how to do this. So I have just been obsessed with it since. So I was looking up - I had looked up her designer. I tried to see how they did it. I was zooming in on the YouTube video, playing it at 2.5 speed, and I was like, okay, there's loops here. I can't sew loops. So I had just went online and I had just bought some pre-made loops, and I was just looking at theater quick release techniques. Looking at all these cosplayers. Anybody who could tell me what was going on. And then I figured it out. And I got to sewing.

ZACK: So what was the audience reaction like when you revealed?

VIVICA: So I can't ever pay attention to anything whenever I'm performing, because the only thing I do is I get up there and do it. I don't really pay attention, but here's what my mom said.

ZACK: All that matters.

VIVICA: My mom had said whenever it was happening, before it was - because they usually know during my shows there's usually a goop or a gag, right? So she had said whenever I had to walk to the front of the stage, they had quieted down to see what was going on. I was doing Slave 4 U. So I was pulling [the costume] up. And then my mom said they literally screamed like, oh my God. It went from silent to like 100dB right there. And she just said everyone was so excited and lit and it was so good.

ZACK: To feel that energy—how does it make you feel as a performer?

VIVICA: God, that energy. It's like I'm a being that feeds off of energy. And not in the energy vampire way.

ZACK: Yeah. We don't need any energy vampires.

VIVICA: But it's just like it keeps me going. It's so exhilarating. I can feel it all the way from my heart to the tip of my fingers. And it just feels like a great rush. And it makes me feel so loved. And also, I feel like my work is being seen. And it just makes me feel so passionate about what I do. It makes it feel like it's all worth it.

ZACK: Yes, and when you say worth it, I know drag is very hard. What goes into becoming Vivica Vanity?

VIVICA: Okay, so what goes into becoming Vivica Vanity. First: You need some white foundation from Sunset Makeup and a bunch of My Chemical Romance or anything emo because it's like getting in the zone to be me. It's like method acting. It's just like, okay. And then it's like, she's here. And also it's like specifically, I don't feel like Vivica until I put on some eyelashes. It's like she's not there until the lashes are there. And also what goes into being Vivica, I feel it's just like - it's like she's a spirit of sorts. Because I was thinking of drag lore or something like that, and I was just like, oh, yeah, she's just an entity that truly exists only like three minutes at a time. But you know, anything else is just me playing dress up.

ZACK: How is your personality different or how is it the same then when you're Vivica? What's the line?

VIVICA: I feel like the line is pretty much the same, but I just feel like I'm more allowed to be a bit more energetic and out there because I'm in drag. I'm out there. I mean, look at me. And it's just like, normally I'm still bubbly and happy and excited and all that stuff, but it's just like, whenever I'm at these shows, it's just like, yes, I can do what I need to do because sometimes it's like you feel like a little rat in a cage and you just need to climb on the walls and all that stuff. But whenever I'm in drag and I can perform, I can finally climb on the walls.

ZACK: I love that, so walk me through your drag journey. What age did you start? How did you discover it, and how did you end up here?

VIVICA: Okay, so I first discovered drag whenever I was in high school. I really wasn't interested in doing it, per se, because I followed Plastique Tiara on Instagram in my junior year because I was like, okay, this is lit, because I had saw one of her Instagram Reels or something like that. So I just didn't really think about it for the next few years. And then as soon as I turned 18, I was in Code Pink. I was going - I was like, oh my God, there's actually something gay in Oxford. Wow. Because there's nothing for really minors besides Pride, you know, to go to and have a good old gay time. I saw that, and there's just like once a year and even then, I really couldn't go because I always had something to do every single year. So I was just like, okay. Code Pink. I love this. This is where I belong. I can party. Oh my God, because I've never been to a party before or anything.

So then I was just dancing my heart out and stuff. So here's how I got into drag. Or start even considering it. So it was Disco De Mayo. It was the disco event. It was like 80s night. And my friend, Amnesia Devereaux, she was the DJ for the night, you know, and also my neighbor. So I was just like, girl, can I just request one song? Can you please play Literal Legend by Ayesha Erotica. I need to pop my pussy right now.

ZACK: You totally take me as someone who likes Ayesha Erotica.

VIVICA: So I was just strutting my little gay boy stuff. And at the end of that, all the queens had came up and like, oh my gosh, you did so good and all that stuff. And I was really happy because I was like, wow, maybe this is what I meant to do.

So I was just really excited about that. But a little bit later that year, Jay Lee had went missing, you know. Because this was all around that time. So to honor Jay Lee, they had a Jayonce night. It was just all about bringing the community together and coming together. And I was already teeter tottering on whether or not I wanted to do drag, but I had said, you know what? Fuck it. Because I felt that I need to embody the queer spirit, you know, and I just - life's too short for all of this stuff. Because I was just like, man. So I had just gotten in drag for the first time. It was kind of like garu inspired, like that goth fashion. And I had just got there, and I had a really good time. And then, Lady Pluto, she was like, hey, you should do this. You should do this. And I was like, really? And then I had asked Blake and Nathan like, hey, can I do Code Pink? And they're like, yeah. Because we had already knew each other for a while now because I used to work at a restaurant and they would come in and like, oh, yeah, Code Pink's tonight. Here's a ticket.

ZACK: Nice. Got the hook up.

VIVICA: Yes. And so I had my first drag show and I did Literal Legend again. And then the rest is history.

ZACK: There you go. A daughter of Ayesha Erotica. So tell the viewers what Code Pink is.

VIVICA: Okay. So Code Pink is a drag show in Oxford that happens every other month. It's not every month, but it's just whenever it happens, it's just whenever it happens. So usually, we just be there and it's like the gay club because first it's a drag show and then it's a club where everyone's bumping that. So it's just like a really fun party, you know? There's a bunch of local artist who perform there. Sometimes we have guests around. Last time we had Jada Lee Symone and her daughter Ramona. And they were great. They killed it. And it was really fun and exciting. Was a Valentine's Day one. The one I did that reveal at was like the best one ever. I had such a good time. That was the first time I ever drank at one of the Code Pinks, so that might be a reason why I thought it was one of the best. Because I have never danced that hard. I woke up hurting so bad.

ZACK: That's how you know you had a good night.

VIVICA: No for real.

ZACK: So have you always been a performer, like when you were growing up? What was your creativity like?

VIVICA: Growing up, my creativity was like getting my college ruled notebook— no, my binder. And it just had a loose leaf paper. And I was just drawing a bunch of comics because I was that sixth grader who was obsessed with anime. I Naruto ran the hallways. I wore that Naruto headband every single day.

ZACK: You're the third person on this podcast who's mentioned Naruto.

VIVICA: Believe it. I'm a Naruto baddie. Hands down. Except the new series. I didn't really - I fell off. Anyway. But I was just like that kid who was like that art kid. Who like, okay, it's time to draw guys. And everyone like, looked at me like, do you want to be my partner for this? I would just spend hours and hours on YouTube. I had unrestricted internet access as a child, and I was like, I need to create my fiction. I need to have my characters. I need to make these two boys kiss right? I need to draw. And it was really fun. Even though I was like a loner.

ZACK: Yeah. Me too.

VIVICA: I didn't always live in Oxford, but I just say I'm from Oxford, you know, because I moved in like what, eighth grade? So at my old school, it was just like I was just weird. But it's like Calhoun City Weird is like Oxford Cool. And I was like, okay, yeah. I'm cool now. But I was still annoying as fuck. I mean, it's okay. Everyone was. It was eighth grade.

ZACK: It was eighth grade. I was insufferable.

VIVICA: Yes.

ZACK: So you love fiction and creating worlds?

VIVICA: Yes. I have so many OCs on my Toy House. Shout out if you know Toy House. And I just made so many. Had so many designs. And then I became a digital artist and I was doing animation, memes and all that stuff. I was making shit every day.

ZACK: So I love that you were consistently creative. How did you keep that drive going? What was the force behind that?

VIVICA: Sometimes being the force, it's like escapism in a way, you know, because it's just like, I had a hard time connecting to my peers, you know, because I was autistic and I didn't even know it at the time. So I was like, what's wrong with me? So I was just using these fictional worlds to just keep myself busy and have fun, you know, because I really didn't have many friends. And I was just like, I didn't really do social media online because I did not know how to use it, and I didn't even have a phone. The only thing I had is computer. So I was on Movie Star Planet, chatting with my friends like, hey girl, do you want to trade—go like my art book. So I just kept that going to keep myself busy. And it did work. I did have a lot of fun making characters, and show bibles and stuff like that. And I just had a lot of fun doing it.

ZACK: Do you think you see Vivica as one of these fictional characters you've created and brought to life?

VIVICA: Yes. She is a fictional character that I can cosplay as, and then I don’t even have to write a story for her because the story is IRL. But there are a few stories and ideas that I have behind her. I was writing a thing, but I abandoned it. But I mean, maybe I'll get back to it.

ZACK: You should. More drag queens need to write books.

VIVICA: Maybe because it's like - it was basically like Other Vivicas type thing. It's like every single outfit in any signature outfit that you see Vivica wear that is an entirely separate entity. It's like Barbie in this bitch, but they all look the same. So I was like, nobody knows where they came from. But they're not really hurting nobody. Because each Vivica has a different job. They can do different things because some of the cute clowns, they can be children's entertainers, you know? The nurse, she is a nurse. Police lady. She's a police lady. And all that stuff. And some - there's some evil Vivica OCs so it's just like—it's odd. They're like a hivemind of sort, but only via Bluetooth connection. If they're close enough, then they can hear each other's thoughts.

ZACK: I love that. I also noticed that you're really good video editor. You know how to pace a video. How did you get into creating content?

VIVICA: So I got into creating content whenever I was in seventh grade. As soon as I got that drawing tablet, I was on YouTube. I was making animations on a pirated version of Camtasia Studio eight. And I was like, okay, because I started making videos really young. I was like 12 whenever I started making videos because I was an internet baby. My mom said I could type before I could even write my own name. And I was just like, okay, I love this. So I was just making videos for a really long time. And I was always scared to show off my face because I thought I was ugly. Until I was in my sophomore year of high school, and I was like, you know what? Let me take a selfie. And I just started getting more comfortable making more things. I just wasn't drawings and stuff like that. So I just start posting myself online. And I got more confident, and I made a TikTok and all that stuff, and I was just like, wow. Why is my shit blowing up now? It was only like a few videos on my personal TikTok. I was always kind of good at that thing, just because I've had so much practice over the years.

ZACK: Yeah, and speaking about practice, you clearly put in the work to hone your skills. What are some other ways that you've honed your drag skills? How do you learn?

VIVICA: So I learn from YouTube videos, because that is the greatest resource anybody has. We have all the information in the world at the tip of our fingertips. So it has been the most helpful. And it's just like, you don't really know what you don't know until you kind of ask a questions like, okay, you got to know what you want. It's like, okay, I want to get better at drag. I want to get better at goth makeup, wearing face paint, look up every single YouTube tutorial that you can find and replicate that. It doesn't matter if it's not good. You just keep doing it even if you think it's ugly. It's shower makeup. You can just go in the shower, take it off, start again another day. Because I only started doing makeup in my junior year of high school. It was god awful.

ZACK: It always is at first.

VIVICA: It was just like, you - that one picture. Not to drag anybody, but that one picture of Shane Dawson. That's just how it was. You know? But people improve over time. He did. I did.

But it's YouTube, because you can make it go as slow as you want. Put it in 2.5 speeds. There's so many tutorials for literally anything out there, especially with the makeup guru beauty boom in 2016, you can figure out how to do anything genuinely. Because a lot of people ask how I do a lot of things, you know, but sometimes I think, have you went on Google first? Have you looked at this video? But I'm always happy to help people whenever they ask me stuff like I answer almost every single one of my DMs. But if someone asks me for help or what do I use for makeup, I'm going to be like here, here, here, here. Here's a YouTube tutorial. Here's this, here's this. Use that. Here's a link to this because it's like, I don't have to explain it myself because it's just a link, you know, because I am not a gatekeeper. I will tell anybody how I do anything. If they ask.

ZACK: We don't like drag gatekeepers.

VIVICA: For real, because it's just like ugh.

ZACK: So how long have you been doing drag? How many years?

VIVICA: I have been doing drag coming up on three years, I think. Vivica is Virgo. Because I started in September of 2022.

ZACK: So she's all about the business.

VIVICA: I don't know astrology like that, but if you say so. Yes.

ZACK: The reason I ask that is—were there any moments in your drag career where you were like, I don't really want to do this. This is too hard. Did you ever want to give up or anything?

VIVICA: I never wanted to really give up, per se, because drag has been one of the only things that I had saw myself doing in the next five years. And this was a hobby that I was so passionate about as a hobby that I could put literally all of my creative—any medium that I had I did something for drag, like sewing, art. I make illustrations all the time. I don't post them all, but I make them a lot.

ZACK: What have you learned about yourself through Vivica?

VIVICA: I learned that I have a lot more power than I give myself credit for. And I can use my voice, you know, and people do listen to me because I always felt like I was brushed off, you know, and I felt like no one was really listening to me. Now people listen, but it doesn't matter. You just might get ignored, you know? And I've just learned not to let that bother me as much. And it's given me a lot of great people and communication skills. Because it's just like I never really hung out around that many people, until after high school. So I had zero social knowledge or anything like that. So I was just like, okay, I am autistic. And these people are speaking on language that I do not understand. House boots, down boots?

ZACK: Where are all these boots coming from?

VIVICA: So I just learned all that stuff, and I feel like I'm a lot more confident in the way I speak and interact with people. And all that stuff. Because I just was always scared to talk to people. It's like people are people, you know, it doesn't matter if they are on Drag Race or what, you know? Because if you just talk to people like they're normal people, you know, it's not like it's going to be like: Hi, how are you? Fuck you.

ZACK: Yeah. Nobody does that.

VIVICA: No one does. Because that's what my mind would tell me. So I just got a lot more confident, I feel, because I'm actually pretty smart, funny and creative. I am very worthy.

ZACK: You are worthy. So talk me through - okay. Let's say you have a drag show at night. What is a day in the life of your creative process? Getting ready. You wake up. What's the day like getting ready?

VIVICA: So I wake up. I go back to bed for 30 minutes. I wake up again. I ask [my partner] Sora—I ask Sora, hey, can we go to eat something or something - can we go to Subway? And then we go to the Subway, which is conveniently in Walmart, and then we just get whatever snack that I might need for the day, and then we're like, wow, that snack’s so good. Let's go home. So I go home, I shower, I shave, and all that stuff, and I just - in the shower. I'm just thinking like, damn, I gotta do this because as much as I love it, sometimes my legs just hurt so bad, and I'm like, I probably should stretch. But I don't do it. Then I just start putting on my makeup, you know? It takes me about anywhere from 2 to 3 hours to get ready in drag. If I know where every single thing is.

ZACK: Are you an organized person?

VIVICA: No, not at all. I have an organized mess. So it's like if I leave a paperclip under a table for the last six months, like, hey, I need a paperclip. It's right there. Because that's kind of how it is. Because I have ADHD and it is very hard for me to stay organized. But I try to clean up, keep everything organized as often as I can. That's why I was late today because I did not know where my shoes were.

ZACK: You know, when I work with queens and interview queens, I know they're going to be a little late, so I accept it.

VIVICA: Oh yeah. Because it's just like—even though I hate to admit it, drag time exist. Drag time exists.

ZACK: It's its own other timeline.

VIVICA: I have try to make my drag time —at least cut it down to be at least 15 to 30 minutes behind me. And it's just like, it sucks. I'm disappointed myself every single time. But I'm just like, it's okay. It's okay. It's like I'm still going to get there and turn it out.

ZACK: It's okay. Everybody knows queens are a little late.

VIVICA: Fashionably late.

ZACK: Speaking of fashion, where do you get fashion inspiration from? What was it like learning? Do you make all your outfits or do you make a lot of your outfits?

VIVICA: I make a few of my costumes, you know, but honestly, it's just like, a lot of my stuff is just things that I would wear on the day to day anyway, because I like a fashion like this. I love a good button down shirt and tights and all that stuff. I love it. So I get a lot of my fashion inspiration from online. I'm more so of an alt person. I mean, obviously.

ZACK: You have a piercing.

VIVICA: So it's like back in 2020 when the pandemic happened, I was already emo, but I never dressed the part, because I just —man, how do I do that? But I never really cared because I didn't wanna get bullied or anything. So the only thing I had was a Pierce the Veil shirt that I bought in seventh grade.

ZACK: That's pretty emo. I was a Panic! At the Disco—not so emo, but just kind of like emo on anti-depressants.

VIVICA: Okay. So Panic! At the Disco, A Fever You Can't Sweat Out is basically my shit. That's one of my favorite albums of all time. That's where I get a lot of my aesthetics from with Vivica. You know that vaudeville circus, dark cabaret kind of aesthetic. This isn't necessarily dark cabaret right now, but it is like one of my biggest inspirations because it's like in 2020, I was like, okay, let me figure out who I am, okay? Boom, I'm emo. Now I actually have a sense of fashion. So give or take, put that in the oven for four years. And then have me start drag with a very active Pinterest account of being like, okay, I see this, I want that I want that. Let me put this together. Let me mix this together. I like that, I like this pattern. I like these colors. Just finding out your own personal sense of style for the next however long. And then you just find something that fits and you can just mix and match literally anything because I would wear this outside.

ZACK: So you talked about your mom being in the audience at one of your shows. How has your mom influenced your art? Your drag. That's so awesome that, you know, not a lot of moms come to drag shows. What was it like when she first met Vivica?

VIVICA: So basically, whenever I first started drag and stuff like that, she was fine with me going to Code Pink and all that stuff. And I was like, look, I have a gig and she's like, whoa, really? And I was like, yes. And she's like, oh, it's that thing you go to. And I was like, yeah. So, I would get ready and all that stuff. And I sometimes the day after, I would show her the videos. And she was always so proud. And she's like, wow, you are doing literally what I wanted to do whenever I was your age. And I was just really happy and proud. Hi, mom.

ZACK: Hi mom. We love moms.

VIVICA: She really hadn't been to one of my shows before. until the Punk Flea Market. Because in Oxford, there's this Punk Flea Market that happens every so often, every other month, every three months or so. And it's just like I was hosting that day. And then my mom was there in the crowd, and that was her first show she saw. And I was just really happy that she was there. And she was running my booth for my merch and stuff. And my grandma was there, too. I love my grandma. And, yeah, she has always been so supportive of my drag. And she's just like, we need to invest in this. This is amazing. Keep doing it. And she's been there for the Assassin's finale. She's been there for a few Code Pinks. Well, now one Code Pink. That was her first one last month, a few days ago. And she's just always been so supportive, and I show her my looks, and she's like, that's so good. But the only thing: she is deathly afraid of is clowns. Whenever I was Vivica and I first started doing a clown.

ZACK: She would not like my apartment.

VIVICA: Yeah. So it was like the Clowning Around Rainbow Rumble. Anybody who's afraid of clowns. Worst nightmare. I used to be afraid of clowns. It's exposure therapy to my family because everyone watched It. The original from 1980 or whatever. And so whenever I start doing clowns, my mom was like, I love you so much, I know it's you under there. I know you're not a evil clown. I know it's you under there. I'm so proud of you. Oh my God, please get away from me. So it's just like. Yeah.

ZACK: And you mentioned Assassins. Hunny's one of my good friends. She was on the pod, two weeks ago. Talk about Assassins. Did you make it to the finale? Did you win?

VIVICA: No, I was in second place.

ZACK: That's awesome. So with Assassins, what made you want to do that? Are you competitive person? What was that process like?

VIVICA: So, I had been in Memphis a few times before, you know, so people know who I am and all that stuff. So I had went to the one Assassins finale, I think, you know, I need to remember because I don't want to misremember anything. Okay. So I don't think I went to the Assassins finale, but I had saw like, oh my gosh, Eliza, you won Assassins. That's so awesome and great. And all that stuff. And she was like, you should do Assassins. I was like, you know what, I should? I think it would be a fun, brand new experience for me. Because I like competitions because I just think it would be fun, you know? And I think it would be a fun opportunity to improve on my own drag because I feel like it's like drag boot camp, as it was described to me by a few people. It's like I need to improve. I need to get better. I need to get into my training arc. So I was just like, yeah, let me do this and have fun. So I was on season four, three of Assassins. It was Assassins Wildfire.

It was me, Fairy Spit, Sairen Strange, Blanca and Rusted Electra. It was all the alt people. And I was like, fuck. And it was just pretty fun. It was like a few weeks. I had won the sewing challenge, and I can't remember anything else. I won the first week. And I just had a really good time of the finale. I got a concussion at the finale.

ZACK: What?

VIVICA: Yeah. I was doing a Panic! At the Disco song. I was trying to do a dip. My foot slipped, and I did not catch myself right. And I hit the back of my head. And also, my shoelaces were getting caught on itself the entire time. So I was like, I hit my head and I needed ice immediately, but I didn't duck out, even though I felt like I needed to. I just kept going. Like, I was like, oh. And I made it to the—I got the ticket to attend the go to the finale because it's like the Golden Spark, like a one way ticket to the final lip sync, you know? So it was a three way lip sync. Me, Fairy Spit, and Blanca, and I didn't really know the words that much and my wig fell off. Because Pluto, she had given me a wig, but I didn't know it was going to be a lace front wig, you know? So I didn't put my hair down because I have an afro under here. My hair was just like—it was not secure. And I had went down. And then my wig came up, and I was just like, I am not winning this. Even though I had an okay reveal, because I had took my dress off and it was like lingerie underneath. I felt like it was still a pretty good performance, but I just felt like because of that, you know, it was like, dang. It's all right, though. Because I still had a pretty good time anyway.

ZACK: So I was going to ask how do you handle quote unquote failure? If something doesn't go perfectly, do you ruminate over it or does that inspire you?

VIVICA: First I cry, I go somewhere where people can't see and then I cry about it because even though it's like it is okay to not win, you know, sometimes it just still hurts a little bit because sometimes it just bruises your ego just a little bit, but not enough to throw a big hissy fit and make it everyone's problem over, or anything like that. But it just hurts a little bit, so you just need to shed a few tears, go in the car and just cry or tweak out whatever you need to do. Because it's like, not really anyone's fault. I just have to get out of those emotions, you know?

ZACK: So two more questions. As you're talking, I'm noticing how ambitious and how dedicated you are to greatness. Where do you think that comes from? Why do you continuously want to improve?

VIVICA: I want to improve because I feel like I always want to be the best that I can be to fulfill myself, to go a lot of places. And because it's just like, if I'm going to do something, why not just try and be great at it, you know? Because it's not even because I want to be rich and famous and all that stuff. I mean, that would be awesome. If you're passionate about an art form, you want to pour a lot of your heart and energy into it, because if you really like it, you know, you just want to keep going and see how far that can take you I feel. I also feel it's because I just want to make the people around me proud of me.

ZACK: Aww, make mama proud. And Grandmama. So, my favorite question to as: if you had all the time, all the resources, what would be your dream project?

VIVICA: Okay, if I had all the time and all the resources, I would try and honestly—my dream project that I've been thinking of since I was a kid is just have my own animated show of sort. It doesn't have to be about me. Just a comic or something, because I love making stories, in my head or just little AMVs in my head and all that stuff. Or just a show of sort, tell a story because I love stories. And if I had all the time and the resources and the money in the world, I would get on that immediately. Because I just love it.

ZACK: We need Vivica comics.

VIVICA: I was actually thinking about that. I was just doodling, and I was like, you know, I just need to make a Vivica comic, you know, just a little little doodles and all that stuff. It could just be like four panels apiece. Because it's just like, if she's a nice character, you know, she's like Saturday morning cartoon villain, but she's not like evil or anything. She's just like [evil laugh].

ZACK: She's got a plot.

VIVICA: Yeah, she's got a plot. But also she's not really actively mean to people.

ZACK: She's cunty in a fun way.

VIVICA: Yes. It's just like, I'm going to take over the world in a good way.

ZACK: And look really cute doing it. So I want to thank you for coming on the show. I think you are such a cool artist. The way your mind works and how you connect things you love and how you innovate drag and push it to another level—I think you're going to do awesome things. So, just thank you so much for being on the show.

VIVICA: No, thank you so much for having me and stuff.

ZACK: Of course. And thanks for being creative.

Where to find Vivica

Instagram: @vivicavanity